knnmbd
05-07 04:18 PM
Another warning. We will not tolerate flaming wars or denigrating posts.
Can't we work together civilly for this? The illegal aliens speak in one voice and are more easily heard. While immigrants who are supposed to be "highly educated" like us have to fight within ourselves over every issue.
If you find some bad post, report it to us by clicking on the exclamation mark symbol. Don't retort.
That's exactly what I was talking about. We are not going to have a law that will benefit all of us immediately, but could indirectly and also could take a while to see the effects of it. This does not mean that we try to stall such bills or exclaim that things are not fair as it does not benefit a certain group of people. We need to know that the law makers are at least smarter than all of us here and when they do things they do it with certain reasons and we need to respect that.
All of us also have to remember that though we might me in the top 10% of this countries intellectual communities we are still all foreigners here and we should of course lobby our cause (like IV is currently doing such a great job of) and leave the rest of the burden to the law makers. I am sure they too have people to answer to and what ever law they pass will have to justifiable.
Can't we work together civilly for this? The illegal aliens speak in one voice and are more easily heard. While immigrants who are supposed to be "highly educated" like us have to fight within ourselves over every issue.
If you find some bad post, report it to us by clicking on the exclamation mark symbol. Don't retort.
That's exactly what I was talking about. We are not going to have a law that will benefit all of us immediately, but could indirectly and also could take a while to see the effects of it. This does not mean that we try to stall such bills or exclaim that things are not fair as it does not benefit a certain group of people. We need to know that the law makers are at least smarter than all of us here and when they do things they do it with certain reasons and we need to respect that.
All of us also have to remember that though we might me in the top 10% of this countries intellectual communities we are still all foreigners here and we should of course lobby our cause (like IV is currently doing such a great job of) and leave the rest of the burden to the law makers. I am sure they too have people to answer to and what ever law they pass will have to justifiable.
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silveroaks
02-13 04:55 PM
I have donated 50$ by check today and will try to make it there.
Question for the organizers: If we just concentrate on the visa recapture bill, is that not a one shot solution for all issues. Because as per a very respected lawyer, that will make all EB categories current and will stay there for at least 2 more years.
Thanks,
Question for the organizers: If we just concentrate on the visa recapture bill, is that not a one shot solution for all issues. Because as per a very respected lawyer, that will make all EB categories current and will stay there for at least 2 more years.
Thanks,
alterego
03-08 06:27 PM
Very well written. I can tell you through my observations of living in this society for 35 years:
1) People leaving because of long wait is a losing argument. Available information doesn't back it up. We have had severe retrogression since 2005 (h-1b quota cases have finished in matter of days)
2)USA is destination of choice. 9 million people file through greencard lottery for 50,000 slots and the main populated countries aren't even eligible to file (ie., India, China, Pakistan, Canada, etc.)
3) Call it what it is: Employment base immigration is least impacted. It is the only class of immigrants who are allowed to work/live in USA while they wait for greencard. Just about every other class has to wait outside until their number is called. This is number one impediment to EB grievances.
4) Stating that one is paying taxes, etc., is also losing argument. You are comparing yourself to the people who are here unlawful. Paying taxes isn't some virtue, it is the law.
5) Country quotas is fundamental to US Immigration. Getting rid of it for one class; ie employment base without looking at the whole thing is waste of time (ie., lottery, family base, etc.).
Now I don't want to get people upset but let's look at some things that have happened since 2005:
There was considerable debate on immigration.com of how the country quotas work and spillover of visas. Depending on how you read the law you would keep coming up with different conclusions. One way was to look at it as hard cap of 7% across all 140,000 visas that is 10,000 or so and it didn't matter about eb1,eb2, eb3. Any unused visas from ROW in EB1 would not go to india but rather flow down to eb2 row and then eb3 row. That s unused would go vertical instead of horizontal.
In uscis fiscal year 2004 eb3 went unavailable in summer of 2005. Statistics showed that India went well over their 7% limit.
In USCIS fiscal year 2005 we had severe retrogression for India. Visa bulletin states that spillover will be vertical instead of horizontal. Statistics showed that India only received 10,500 visas
Now, fiscal year 2006 . We have slow movement in visa dates; it appears that they are going vertical with spillover. However, in July 2007 they make it current for everyone and India goes over the 7% limit.
Fiscal year 2007 it appears from visa bulletin that they are going to go horizontal instead of vertical. No statistics yet of how much went to India.
Therefore; department of state has changed policy, interpretation without law change. Talk to many lawyers and they will tell you that spillover is supposed to happen vertical instead of horizontal. indian nationals have been benefitted greatly by department of state changing it on their whim. You don't see many people from ROW on these boards bellyaching about this; or contacting senators, or threatening lawsuits do you?
This is something to think about? As people keep highlighting this issue and if they continually point it out to lawmakers and someone from ROW gets the birght idea to challenge department of state then it will make it worse for India. I don't foresee any change whatsoever in country quota limits; mainly because it is fundamental to immigration and fundamental things don't change very easily.
In defense of the EB2I argument thought UN, I could argue that the Horizontal spillover was right all along and it was EB3ROW that benefited since 2005 at the expense of EB2I + C.
As you rightly point out, there is room for interpretation in the way the law is written, and that is why we keep having this discussion. I remember vehemently having this discussion with you on immigration.com. The bottom line is I am still waiting having been "current" twice since that time, I believe that there are many Eb3ROW folks with PDs later than mine that have sailed through ahead of me! The interpretation view of spillover over the last year is the only thing that gives me any hope near term.
In the mean time, those like me have dealt with a barrage of other processing changes that have also affected EB2I ie Labor Subs., Eb3-EB2 jumpers, the July VB fiasco impact on older 485s etc. Not sure about the exact extent of each, but nonetheless, you feel screwed by the system when your 485 is pending for near 4 yrs.
This is one harrowing experience everyone wants to forget once they get greened. Thanks for sticking around with your valuable insight.
1) People leaving because of long wait is a losing argument. Available information doesn't back it up. We have had severe retrogression since 2005 (h-1b quota cases have finished in matter of days)
2)USA is destination of choice. 9 million people file through greencard lottery for 50,000 slots and the main populated countries aren't even eligible to file (ie., India, China, Pakistan, Canada, etc.)
3) Call it what it is: Employment base immigration is least impacted. It is the only class of immigrants who are allowed to work/live in USA while they wait for greencard. Just about every other class has to wait outside until their number is called. This is number one impediment to EB grievances.
4) Stating that one is paying taxes, etc., is also losing argument. You are comparing yourself to the people who are here unlawful. Paying taxes isn't some virtue, it is the law.
5) Country quotas is fundamental to US Immigration. Getting rid of it for one class; ie employment base without looking at the whole thing is waste of time (ie., lottery, family base, etc.).
Now I don't want to get people upset but let's look at some things that have happened since 2005:
There was considerable debate on immigration.com of how the country quotas work and spillover of visas. Depending on how you read the law you would keep coming up with different conclusions. One way was to look at it as hard cap of 7% across all 140,000 visas that is 10,000 or so and it didn't matter about eb1,eb2, eb3. Any unused visas from ROW in EB1 would not go to india but rather flow down to eb2 row and then eb3 row. That s unused would go vertical instead of horizontal.
In uscis fiscal year 2004 eb3 went unavailable in summer of 2005. Statistics showed that India went well over their 7% limit.
In USCIS fiscal year 2005 we had severe retrogression for India. Visa bulletin states that spillover will be vertical instead of horizontal. Statistics showed that India only received 10,500 visas
Now, fiscal year 2006 . We have slow movement in visa dates; it appears that they are going vertical with spillover. However, in July 2007 they make it current for everyone and India goes over the 7% limit.
Fiscal year 2007 it appears from visa bulletin that they are going to go horizontal instead of vertical. No statistics yet of how much went to India.
Therefore; department of state has changed policy, interpretation without law change. Talk to many lawyers and they will tell you that spillover is supposed to happen vertical instead of horizontal. indian nationals have been benefitted greatly by department of state changing it on their whim. You don't see many people from ROW on these boards bellyaching about this; or contacting senators, or threatening lawsuits do you?
This is something to think about? As people keep highlighting this issue and if they continually point it out to lawmakers and someone from ROW gets the birght idea to challenge department of state then it will make it worse for India. I don't foresee any change whatsoever in country quota limits; mainly because it is fundamental to immigration and fundamental things don't change very easily.
In defense of the EB2I argument thought UN, I could argue that the Horizontal spillover was right all along and it was EB3ROW that benefited since 2005 at the expense of EB2I + C.
As you rightly point out, there is room for interpretation in the way the law is written, and that is why we keep having this discussion. I remember vehemently having this discussion with you on immigration.com. The bottom line is I am still waiting having been "current" twice since that time, I believe that there are many Eb3ROW folks with PDs later than mine that have sailed through ahead of me! The interpretation view of spillover over the last year is the only thing that gives me any hope near term.
In the mean time, those like me have dealt with a barrage of other processing changes that have also affected EB2I ie Labor Subs., Eb3-EB2 jumpers, the July VB fiasco impact on older 485s etc. Not sure about the exact extent of each, but nonetheless, you feel screwed by the system when your 485 is pending for near 4 yrs.
This is one harrowing experience everyone wants to forget once they get greened. Thanks for sticking around with your valuable insight.
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ghost
06-21 10:03 PM
GCBy3000,
You cannot quote a post which is day old and ask the question "what are the hearings for?". Apparently the post you are quoting is made before the news came out that the hearings will be held. Is this GC thing getting on your nerves:)
Good if it happens. But when? What makes it to say it is dead for the lawmakers. If it is likely to be dead by the end of July, then what for the hearings in the month of august before the next recession? No hopes for anything, until something is signed by the president. Any new BILL, agian the same senate, congress, commitee process and KILL it at the end. Hmmm it is just my frustration and I am not blaming anyone. I am there to fight till the end(?? I dunno where the end is though).
Now to the big question, as of today, what is the status of CIR Bill. The hearings will be held in the month of August (House Folks are planning to call in the Senate Members to testify in these hearings, which is impossible because the Senate will be in Recess in the Month of August).
So the most optimistic guess would be that the hearings will be stretched into September. In October, the Senate (I'm assuming even the house) will go on recess again for the elections in November. Once the hearings end (September) and the elections end, depending on who will control the majority, the CIR bill will be brought into day light. The reason I say this is because CIR is the only way, as of now, they are dealing with the border problem. They have no choice but to address the border problem, for security reasons.
So the CIR will be discussed again, optimistically, in december. The House will name the conference committee members and schedule the conference committee. The conference committee may meet and discuss the differences in December/January. I'm confident that both chambers of congress will be more comfortable to deal with CIR after the elections. As I have said earlier, they have no choice but come up with some kind of border security legislation out of the conference committee. Optimistically, CIR may become law by next summer and it would be helpful for us, if our provisions survive the storm.
I agree with the "Passing under the radar" philosophy put forward by IV Core Team. Our best bet is CIR compared to other explicit bills like SKIL. Besides, if I understand SKIL correctly, it benifits only folks with Master's degree in US and 3 years of work experience in a related field (I do have this). So that is not a comprehensive solution for IV members.
The anti-immigration and outsourcing sentiment is high in this country now. Also, the corporations are only lobbying for H-1B visas. They will never lobby for GC's. It's against their interests for us to get GC's. So we, the GC seekers, are on our own. IV membership is below 5000 and our contributions are around 130K. IMO, this is not enough to influence the president to sign an emergency relief bill (someone suggested this) or even lobby the Congress for explicit bills like SKIL.
The best thing that we can do as of now is to get personally involved in recruiting more members for IV. I've pledged to myself that by the end of July, I'll ensure that I'll recruit 10 new members for IV. If we can get our membership atleast close to 50000 by the end of this year then we can make some significant noise.
So our options are:
1) To wait until next summer for CIR
2) EB3 folks with PD's as 2003 or higher, try to find a new job and file as EB2
3) EB2 folks with PD's 2004 or higher, try to find a new job that'll file for GC within 6 months
4) People who are in 7/8/9 years extensions of H1-B, consult good immigration lawyers and weigh in your options. The worst case scenario for you is to stick with your current firm as long as it takes for your GC. But there is no harm in trying, you may end up finding other viable options.
Long post, huh? This GC thing is getting on my nerves too:)
Peace Out!
You cannot quote a post which is day old and ask the question "what are the hearings for?". Apparently the post you are quoting is made before the news came out that the hearings will be held. Is this GC thing getting on your nerves:)
Good if it happens. But when? What makes it to say it is dead for the lawmakers. If it is likely to be dead by the end of July, then what for the hearings in the month of august before the next recession? No hopes for anything, until something is signed by the president. Any new BILL, agian the same senate, congress, commitee process and KILL it at the end. Hmmm it is just my frustration and I am not blaming anyone. I am there to fight till the end(?? I dunno where the end is though).
Now to the big question, as of today, what is the status of CIR Bill. The hearings will be held in the month of August (House Folks are planning to call in the Senate Members to testify in these hearings, which is impossible because the Senate will be in Recess in the Month of August).
So the most optimistic guess would be that the hearings will be stretched into September. In October, the Senate (I'm assuming even the house) will go on recess again for the elections in November. Once the hearings end (September) and the elections end, depending on who will control the majority, the CIR bill will be brought into day light. The reason I say this is because CIR is the only way, as of now, they are dealing with the border problem. They have no choice but to address the border problem, for security reasons.
So the CIR will be discussed again, optimistically, in december. The House will name the conference committee members and schedule the conference committee. The conference committee may meet and discuss the differences in December/January. I'm confident that both chambers of congress will be more comfortable to deal with CIR after the elections. As I have said earlier, they have no choice but come up with some kind of border security legislation out of the conference committee. Optimistically, CIR may become law by next summer and it would be helpful for us, if our provisions survive the storm.
I agree with the "Passing under the radar" philosophy put forward by IV Core Team. Our best bet is CIR compared to other explicit bills like SKIL. Besides, if I understand SKIL correctly, it benifits only folks with Master's degree in US and 3 years of work experience in a related field (I do have this). So that is not a comprehensive solution for IV members.
The anti-immigration and outsourcing sentiment is high in this country now. Also, the corporations are only lobbying for H-1B visas. They will never lobby for GC's. It's against their interests for us to get GC's. So we, the GC seekers, are on our own. IV membership is below 5000 and our contributions are around 130K. IMO, this is not enough to influence the president to sign an emergency relief bill (someone suggested this) or even lobby the Congress for explicit bills like SKIL.
The best thing that we can do as of now is to get personally involved in recruiting more members for IV. I've pledged to myself that by the end of July, I'll ensure that I'll recruit 10 new members for IV. If we can get our membership atleast close to 50000 by the end of this year then we can make some significant noise.
So our options are:
1) To wait until next summer for CIR
2) EB3 folks with PD's as 2003 or higher, try to find a new job and file as EB2
3) EB2 folks with PD's 2004 or higher, try to find a new job that'll file for GC within 6 months
4) People who are in 7/8/9 years extensions of H1-B, consult good immigration lawyers and weigh in your options. The worst case scenario for you is to stick with your current firm as long as it takes for your GC. But there is no harm in trying, you may end up finding other viable options.
Long post, huh? This GC thing is getting on my nerves too:)
Peace Out!
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snathan
02-09 08:39 PM
I am sending $ 20 ...
Please keep sending emails to all members and encourage them to chip in regularly..
Thanks for your contribution. Please pursuade your friends and relatives also
Please keep sending emails to all members and encourage them to chip in regularly..
Thanks for your contribution. Please pursuade your friends and relatives also
softwareguy
07-08 03:50 PM
Do you really believe there are 700K "unique" cases pending.
I think elimination of Labor Substitution would take out atleast half of 700 K pending labors..
Making the total new cases definitely managable - "damn again I m thinking logically." :rolleyes:
I think elimination of Labor Substitution would take out atleast half of 700 K pending labors..
Making the total new cases definitely managable - "damn again I m thinking logically." :rolleyes:
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brainchild
08-31 07:26 PM
Congrats.. You made it
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makemygc
08-01 01:11 PM
My i-140 no. starts with SRC 06, is this also from Texas?
If you have I140 receipt with you, just look at the bottom. It will tell you if it was from NSC or TSC.
If you have I140 receipt with you, just look at the bottom. It will tell you if it was from NSC or TSC.
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jags_e
07-07 11:01 AM
Though they didnot break any law in writing, they had the intent to not give any relief to people who are eligible to apply in july as per the old bulletin.
The intent itself is ulawful.
Alos in rushing to use all the visas, they might have given visas prematurely to applicants who had no clearence.
The only thing we could do guys , is to get a lot of media attention , make the whole world know about our problems....
If we dont get the GC yearly number increased for India , we should plan to go back,..
How long can i wait to file 485..
I am pretty much sure( i wish i am proven wrong) that the Lawsuits are not gonna help us.
They did nothing wrong legally , its a tradition that DOS doesnt change the visa bulletin in a month..ITS NOT A LAW.
The max we could get from a lawsuit is damages(financials) , and as USCIS is a fees funded organisatiom , its gonna come back to us
In one way we should be happy that the USCIS is cleaning its internal backlog,
The intent itself is ulawful.
Alos in rushing to use all the visas, they might have given visas prematurely to applicants who had no clearence.
The only thing we could do guys , is to get a lot of media attention , make the whole world know about our problems....
If we dont get the GC yearly number increased for India , we should plan to go back,..
How long can i wait to file 485..
I am pretty much sure( i wish i am proven wrong) that the Lawsuits are not gonna help us.
They did nothing wrong legally , its a tradition that DOS doesnt change the visa bulletin in a month..ITS NOT A LAW.
The max we could get from a lawsuit is damages(financials) , and as USCIS is a fees funded organisatiom , its gonna come back to us
In one way we should be happy that the USCIS is cleaning its internal backlog,
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doshhar
07-04 06:19 PM
I have e-mailed the senators in Illinois.
Let's do following to keep this topic alive..
1) Please e-mail senators to your respective states. You can find the e-mail format from http://murthyforum.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=1024039761&f=1474093861&m=8821024251
2) We should have a rally to local USCIS offices.
3) We should inform Media well in advance about rally so we can get enough coverage.
4) We should contact Chinese groups for joining us in our mission.
This is not a single person mission. We should get to gather at this CRITICAL time.
Please don't let this fire go away.
Let's do following to keep this topic alive..
1) Please e-mail senators to your respective states. You can find the e-mail format from http://murthyforum.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=1024039761&f=1474093861&m=8821024251
2) We should have a rally to local USCIS offices.
3) We should inform Media well in advance about rally so we can get enough coverage.
4) We should contact Chinese groups for joining us in our mission.
This is not a single person mission. We should get to gather at this CRITICAL time.
Please don't let this fire go away.
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amitjoey
11-17 04:40 PM
Please also send the text by email to the staff you have rapport with at the congressional offices.
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PrashantChandran1978
09-19 02:16 PM
Please update me when ur cheques got encashed and when got receipt notice, my application is also received by k.lawson (NSC on Aug 6 07/EB3)
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guyfromsg
07-19 11:51 PM
Thanks IV core for the selfless sacrifice..A small pledge of $100
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12-16 12:50 PM
I will recommend to read this book. Provides insights into your own personal nature and makes recommendations. Very helpful!
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kumjay
06-26 02:56 PM
I love the way desi3933 jumps on someone else's comment in bold and red font. Keep it up!!
>> "No, employment letter is absolutely required...", well, it is not.
You are wrong. How are the pay stubs link to your future GC job. Employment Letter is listed right there on I-485 form as initial evidence.
Do NOT confuse Current Employment Letter with Employment Letter for GC job
Not a legal advice.
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Permanent Resident since May 2002
>> "No, employment letter is absolutely required...", well, it is not.
You are wrong. How are the pay stubs link to your future GC job. Employment Letter is listed right there on I-485 form as initial evidence.
Do NOT confuse Current Employment Letter with Employment Letter for GC job
Not a legal advice.
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Permanent Resident since May 2002
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WaldenPond
06-28 02:54 PM
Hello arnet,
That is an excellent idea. We are already working closely with USINPAC. Here is some of info about this.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=576
USINPAC has been very helpful and has played a key role in guiding and helping us. We should all be Thankful to USINPAC for significant help that they have provided us.
AAPI is another group that has been instrumental in getting our provisions in the bill.
We have received positive results from many other groups. But no other group has been able to help us as USINPAC and AAPI.
If anybody has any such suggestion or could provide a lead to any other organization or personality, please let us know. This would help us all.
WaldenPond
That is an excellent idea. We are already working closely with USINPAC. Here is some of info about this.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=576
USINPAC has been very helpful and has played a key role in guiding and helping us. We should all be Thankful to USINPAC for significant help that they have provided us.
AAPI is another group that has been instrumental in getting our provisions in the bill.
We have received positive results from many other groups. But no other group has been able to help us as USINPAC and AAPI.
If anybody has any such suggestion or could provide a lead to any other organization or personality, please let us know. This would help us all.
WaldenPond
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MM_67
02-01 02:20 PM
Agree to all of them. but biggest thing to beat them all above in US is Medical insurance. you can live here in this country as long as everything is going well.
Talk about the Job situ, if you are out of job for a month, its a hell..but not in India.
Yes I agree with you...We can get easy doctor appointment at any location on any time and not to wait for days like here.
Talk about the Job situ, if you are out of job for a month, its a hell..but not in India.
Yes I agree with you...We can get easy doctor appointment at any location on any time and not to wait for days like here.
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mirage
03-26 11:26 AM
No I have no proof to substintiate that, but I have read it on few forums here and there, I live in a very small city in NY, I know atleast 15 people with their PD in early 2003, That tells me the extent of problem, how many would there be in NJ, CA, IL, TX, VA etc. The only relief would be people who would convert to EB2 and leave that space. Labor Substition was a devil which has created most of this problem as I can see there are hardly 15-20% original beneficiaries for these 2002-2003 Labors.
Are we sure that there are around 5-6k EB3 pending in the years 2002 and 2003. If thats true then it will take atleast 6 more years to process all the EB3's for 2002 and 2003 :(
Are we sure that there are around 5-6k EB3 pending in the years 2002 and 2003. If thats true then it will take atleast 6 more years to process all the EB3's for 2002 and 2003 :(
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pappu
11-19 04:23 PM
Question to IV core...
After receiving the standard email respose from the congressman/senator...I am wondering are they even aware about the legal immigrants. All we are getting the standard template which is talking about only illegals and DREAM.
No mention about legals ?
Please read my earlier responses on this thread. We need to now take up this issue further and tell them we did not get satisfactory response and need serious attention to our issue as a constituent.
After receiving the standard email respose from the congressman/senator...I am wondering are they even aware about the legal immigrants. All we are getting the standard template which is talking about only illegals and DREAM.
No mention about legals ?
Please read my earlier responses on this thread. We need to now take up this issue further and tell them we did not get satisfactory response and need serious attention to our issue as a constituent.
ajaykk
08-26 11:28 AM
your spouses will get their EAD approvals in week to 10 days for sure.
GCCovet
Thanks gccovet..hope your words turn true soon.
Thanks Sina, btw..did you or your spouse try calling the Cust. Reps? Just curious. I will try to call them today.
GCCovet
Thanks gccovet..hope your words turn true soon.
Thanks Sina, btw..did you or your spouse try calling the Cust. Reps? Just curious. I will try to call them today.
pappu
05-23 11:32 AM
Logiclife,
Is there any reason to send emails to 2 + 10 senators only? If recommended I can send to all senators later today or tomorrow.
Also i will reformat the template in Word and fax it to 12 senators.
Those are important in the priority. We want to encourage everyone to send to all senators.
Is there any reason to send emails to 2 + 10 senators only? If recommended I can send to all senators later today or tomorrow.
Also i will reformat the template in Word and fax it to 12 senators.
Those are important in the priority. We want to encourage everyone to send to all senators.
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